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. >> mandela showed us the power of action. of taking risk on behalf of our ideals. but as he showed in painstaking negotiations to transfer power and draft new laws, he was not afraid to compromise for the sake of a larger goal. >> and for more on the struggle for compromise in washington right now, we are joined by congresswoman, louise slaughter, democrat of new york. with us from capitol hill. how are you? >> well, thanks. and you? >> doing very well. and i hope you're okay in the snow today in washington. you have demanded a no budget, no vacation line. and here we are on tuesday, ticking down to this deadline. how does it look? >> well, first, let me tell you, i'm from upstate new york. and i can't believe they closed everything down here for what appears to be a heavy frost. but here we are. i do not want this congress to go home and take christmas holiday with so much oh absolutely undone. now, if they don't announce a budget agreement by tomorrow, wednesday, according to the rules of the house, they will not be able to
. >> mandela showed us the power of action. of taking risk on behalf of our ideals. but as he showed in painstaking negotiations to transfer power and draft new laws, he was not afraid to compromise for the sake of a larger goal. >> and for more on the struggle for compromise in washington right now, we are joined by congresswoman, louise slaughter, democrat of new york. with us from capitol hill. how are you? >> well, thanks. and you? >> doing very well. and i hope...
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when another question that's been raised with the death of nelson mandela is when south africa's young democracy will go next one of the biggest concerns is whether the country will carefully preserve its racist legacy left by its iconic leader also on the website of the moment you can read some of mandela's quotes that you come across in the mainstream media. is the address. this is the international love for moscow with the twenty four hours a day still to come on the program this serious talk could be about to fail to clear a hurdle for the international agency helping the country get rid of its chemical arsenal says rebels could stand in the mission's way and try to capture the weapons meaning a key could be missed. i was thinking somehow i had to come back because mom was waiting for me. i just knew that everything would be fine for some reason they were so confident because we were going to get married officially after he came back how could he not come back the mere thought of it never crossed her mind. militants decided to try and break through her new guinea screaming grenade.
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on a question that's been raised with the death of nelson mandela south africa's young democracy will go next one of the biggest concerns is whether the country will carefully preserve its moment racist legacy left by its comic leader also on our web site read some of those quotes that you won't come across in the mainstream media. is the address. still to come on the program here a lot internationalist serious toxic disarmament could be about to fail to clear a hurdle. and the international agency helping the country get rid of its chemical also says rebels can stand in the mission's way and try to capture the weapons meaning a key deadline will be missed that's a short break. a little good. to speak your language. the program says documentaries in arabic it's all here on. reporting from the world talks about six of the p.r.p. interviews intriguing stories are you. trying. to find out more visit our big. dog called. the chemical agency overseeing syria's talks at disarmament says there's a high chance the next phase won't be completed on time either because time table most critical c
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the kid to close up for some african president who can make you pay tribute to his princess or nelson mandela on sunday during a visit to a johannesburg synagogue mbeki told the congregation at the oxford shul synagogue always remember with mango believed in. this is newsnight. thus this depressed. one is huge. not that we is you must. goosen this is a question. ab's usd is what gets you. what was i who was next. vicki served terms as president of south africa during awesome and ellis time and all that is all for sixteen in june nineteen ninety nine he was mandela's hand picked successor. he stood down from the presidency in two thousand. do you see him as a history of the odious juicy morsel still waiting for its permanent exhibition to open but nonetheless busy hosting events such as this constant to coincide with the recent hanukkah festival the concert featured is brady singing had to remain invisible to most but just about the debates which fulfills the platoon role in today's small but vibrant produced huge community ahead of. the since i've come here and think that the most important n
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it was mandela and mandela foundation that stepped in and pepfar and george w. bush that filled the gap. >> that's right. remember, ten years ago epicenter of the aids epidemic, demographic and human disaster on a massive scale there. the fact it hasn't happened is a tribute to president bush. >> now president bush moving to malaria. also the selfie with the danish prime minister in the middle, david cameron, uk prime minister, of course, and barack obama. you see michelle obama sitting on the side not taking part. it is really quite a human moment. >> and speaking of human moments, one wonders about human moments on "air force one" coming home and what mrs. obama has to say about this moment of hillarity with the president and prime minister. she doesn't look happy. >> she's probably paying attention to the speaker. >> that must be it, yes. >> eugene robinson, thank you so much. >> thank you, andrea. >>> nelson mandela's memorial service, a reunion for the former u.s. president george w. bush and his wife laura, hillary clinton hitching a ride to south africa w
it was mandela and mandela foundation that stepped in and pepfar and george w. bush that filled the gap. >> that's right. remember, ten years ago epicenter of the aids epidemic, demographic and human disaster on a massive scale there. the fact it hasn't happened is a tribute to president bush. >> now president bush moving to malaria. also the selfie with the danish prime minister in the middle, david cameron, uk prime minister, of course, and barack obama. you see michelle obama...
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he says mandela's death should cause each of us he says, to examine our own lives. we want to break down the president's speech on the world is taken. chief political analyst gloria borger is with us. gloria, let me play another clip from the president because his words were pointed. >> for around the world today, we still see children suffering from hunger and disease. we still see rundown schools. we still see young people without prospects for the future. around the world today, men and women are still in prison for their political beliefs and are still persecuted for what they look like and how they worship and who they love. >> so that was a pretty pointed message especially considering some of the other 90 leaders who were there where political freedom at home is not necessarily something they can take for granted. >> i think, you know, the president was speaking both of reconciliation and the spirit nelson mandela but also in terms of the challenge that these leaders face and that leaders of all nations face. wolf, what struck me also was that it was such a p
he says mandela's death should cause each of us he says, to examine our own lives. we want to break down the president's speech on the world is taken. chief political analyst gloria borger is with us. gloria, let me play another clip from the president because his words were pointed. >> for around the world today, we still see children suffering from hunger and disease. we still see rundown schools. we still see young people without prospects for the future. around the world today, men...
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legacy. >> south africa. >> these are mandela's people. >> a warm welcome for u.n. secretary general, and a not so warm response for south african president jacob zuma. the whos an indication of widespread believe that he suffered by comparison with the man he is here to remember. gathers here to family members including the past. >> they are coming together. i think that would have made how everybody are shaking hands, and celebrating his life. >> there was thunderous applause, and to the joy of the people, criticism. >> there are too many people who happily embrace man done ba's legacy of racial consolation, but passionately resist even modest reforms. that would challenge chronic poverty. and growing inequality, there are too many leaders but do not tolerate dissent from their own people. memories of another man who spoke for the people at another gathering in this specific place. memories of the day 23 years ago, when mandela walked out of prison, and paid homage to the masses. i have spoken about freedom in my lifetime. your commitment, is your discipline has r
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today's meeting it was quite a friendly atmosphere like i said and the president also quoted nelson mandela seeing that freedom isn't only about escaping from handcuffs but it's also about respecting the freedoms of others while the parliament still hashing out the fine print but let's consider who might fall under the bill for now nonviolent offenders jailed for up to five years could see their crimes pardoned those considered particularly vulnerable for economical health reasons or specifically targeted here combat veterans pregnant women and young offenders could see their slates wiped clean and the bill makes a special case for those charged with taking part in mass disorder or hooliganism regardless of their age or gender or putin's meetings today may have ended with human rights activists but they began with the military top brass russia's president ordered the armed forces to focus first and foremost on a new frontier the arctic global warming and spawned an international race for its resources owners artie's lucy company told my colleague shep a valid it's all getting quite heated.
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in the south african city of johannesburg to bid farewell to nelson mandela a man seen as the ultimate symbol of peace with all of you with the details of the moral service. well yes this has been one of the most important days in south africa's history tens of thousands of south africans turning out to pay their last respects to nelson mandela the focus today was at the f.n.b. stadium the largest stadium in the country where tens of thousands of people turned out despite the rain that did keep some away but in south african culture it is believed that the rain is a sign that the deceased has been joined with his or her ancestors there were dignitaries from all corners of the globe but none the least of all was the american president barack obama who said and i'm quoting that mandela was a giant of history he was the last of the great liberators of the twentieth century but as often happens in such tragic and very often sad circumstances world leaders use this as an opportunity for their own personal politicking now obama did raise a few eyebrows when he shook hands with the cuban lead
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may god bless the memory of nelson mandela. my god bless the people of south africa. >> so barack obama also gave us one of the day's most memorable images. this is him shaking hands with cuba's leader. america has not had former diplomatic relations with cuba since 1959. above all the memorial was an opportunity for south africans to reflect on what mandela meant to them. >> he has made me so proud to be a south african, and i just think he embraces everything that we want for our land and i hope we're going to carry on with his legacy. >> we are all here for one golden aim. to celebrate the life of a hero. that permitted black people to operate free in their own country. >> i came here to celebrate the life of my hero, my leader, my future, my hope, someone who gave me hope. >> mike hannah is following events in johannesberg. we saw that remarkable show of unity with world leaders and people coming together. have they managed to digest and take in what happened at the stadium? >> it was very much the call for unity. it was ve
may god bless the memory of nelson mandela. my god bless the people of south africa. >> so barack obama also gave us one of the day's most memorable images. this is him shaking hands with cuba's leader. america has not had former diplomatic relations with cuba since 1959. above all the memorial was an opportunity for south africans to reflect on what mandela meant to them. >> he has made me so proud to be a south african, and i just think he embraces everything that we want for our...
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nelson mandela, nelson mandela, akekho ofana naye. [applause] the song is one of the most accurate descriptions of this global icon who is the founding president of a free and democratic south africa and also the former president of the oldest liberation movement in the continent, the anc. [applause] his passing has marked an unprecedented outpouring of grief across the world. yet, it is grief, tinged with admiration and celebration. everyone has had a mandela moment, when this world icon has touched their lives. let us begin, therefore, by thanking all the heads of state and government, international delegations present here today. we also extend our deepest gratitude for the messages of condolences that we continue to receive. the mandela family, the south african people, and the african continent as a whole, feel stronger today, because we are being comforted by millions throughout the world. dear south africans, that we are madiba's compatriots and have lived during his time is a cause for a great celebration and enormous pride. n
nelson mandela, nelson mandela, akekho ofana naye. [applause] the song is one of the most accurate descriptions of this global icon who is the founding president of a free and democratic south africa and also the former president of the oldest liberation movement in the continent, the anc. [applause] his passing has marked an unprecedented outpouring of grief across the world. yet, it is grief, tinged with admiration and celebration. everyone has had a mandela moment, when this world icon has...
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future but in general this was like i said quite a friendly atmosphere the president also quoted nelson mandela saying that to be free not only enough to get rid of him but to continue fighting for freedom all across the world. live that from moscow thank you very much indeed for that we appreciate it. russia's president has ordered the armed forces to focus first and foremost on a new frontier global warming is granted opening out the north pole to shipping and has spawned an international rat race for its resources let's have a child now about this with lucy calf now who's been following this story for us that is a lovely to see it as so the arctic of course is a huge and a very important place where on the stand that's what did let me patient have to say about that and what does he want right well basically mr putin said that the military russia's military presence in the arctic region is going to be one of the top priorities for the country he emphasized the importance of a soviet era military. based in the new superior islands which the military had started to overhaul earlier this year ru
future but in general this was like i said quite a friendly atmosphere the president also quoted nelson mandela saying that to be free not only enough to get rid of him but to continue fighting for freedom all across the world. live that from moscow thank you very much indeed for that we appreciate it. russia's president has ordered the armed forces to focus first and foremost on a new frontier global warming is granted opening out the north pole to shipping and has spawned an international rat...
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. >> a massive memorial service for nelson mandela this morning. historic gathering of world leaders. and how close are we to an actual nuclear deal with iran? secretary kerry tried to convince congressional skeptics from both sides of the aisle today. we'll talk to the chairman leading that hearing, ed royce. plus, a primary problem for the number two senate republican, an old clinton confidant headed back to the west wing. that and more in today's databank. good morning. it's tuesday, december 10th. taking a deep zbooif the suburbs in about 20 30 minutes. we'll have the latest on the wave of snow across the northeast that you can see many the live footage behind me. the white house almost looks like blizzard conditions with our camera there. we'll begin in south africa and the massive memorial service for nelson mandela. the so i remember is still going on at the fnb soccer stadium in see wee toe. 95,000 seats in that stadium, the largest on the entire african continent. more than 90 world leaders and thousands of south africans braifd incredibly
. >> a massive memorial service for nelson mandela this morning. historic gathering of world leaders. and how close are we to an actual nuclear deal with iran? secretary kerry tried to convince congressional skeptics from both sides of the aisle today. we'll talk to the chairman leading that hearing, ed royce. plus, a primary problem for the number two senate republican, an old clinton confidant headed back to the west wing. that and more in today's databank. good morning. it's tuesday,...
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voices of tens of thousands of people who have gathered to celebrate the life of peace i can nelson mandela almost one hundred heads of state are in the stadium in johannesburg where the memorial ceremony is taking place much of the uncovered seating has been left empty to cover terrorism failed. couples have broken out between riot police and protesters who are angry at their quality of life in the italian city of tearin it was part of a day of national clash that is by the so-called pitchfork movement which fights against taxes unemployment on the you are italy has been hard hit by the economic crisis with budget cuts biting hard and use unemployment at forty percent. the u.s. defense secretary chuck hagel has visited pakistan warning leaders to keep nato supply routes open to neighboring afghanistan or risk vast amounts of aid being caught on gray crowns and blow the main road two weeks ago in the northwest of the country in protest at american drone strikes that have killed several hundred civilians defense analyst i've been ill and says the use of unmanned planes to target terrorists h
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long live nelson mandela. long live nelson mandela, long live. thank you and good bye. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> when adding up coverage of the memorial for nelson mandela, the first of ten days of tribute and stairwells to the former south african president who passed away at the age of 95. his funeral be on december 15th. if you missed our coverage we will rear highlights tonight beginning at 8:00 eastern on c-span2 or you can watch any time on line at c-span.org. here's how the new york times is covering the story. tens of thousands of people streamed into a huge soccer stadium tuesday with the leaders and celebrities from a round world braving heavy rain to pay tribute to nelson mandela the man who inspired the struggle against apartheid from his prison cell. there was no way i was not going to be here, if it wasn't for nelson mandela i would not be here live in a life of freedom i lived. as people continue to file out of the stadium in johannesburg president obama earlier today offered his tribute to
long live nelson mandela. long live nelson mandela, long live. thank you and good bye. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> when adding up coverage of the memorial for nelson mandela, the first of ten days of tribute and stairwells to the former south african president who passed away at the age of 95. his funeral be on december 15th. if you missed our coverage we will rear highlights tonight beginning at 8:00 eastern on c-span2 or you can watch any time on...
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drown the voices of turns of thousands of people who gathered to celebrate the life of peace i can also mandela almost one hundred heads of state who were in the stadium in johannesburg where the memorial ceremony was taking place there and cabot seating was left empty all the cupboard areas were filled security was tied to the band with fifteen thousand officials watching of the proceedings. samples whole world canard between rising police and protesters who are angry at their quality of life in the italian city of tearin it was part of a day of national pride by this so-called pitchfork movement which fights against taxes unemployment and the you are italy has been hard hit by the economic crisis with budget cuts and biting hard and youth unemployment at forty percent. the u.s. defense secretary chuck hagel has visited pakistan warning leaders to keep nato supply routes open to neighboring afghanistan or risk vast amounts of aid being cut angry crowds blocked the main road two weeks ago in the north west of the country in protest at american drone strikes that have killed several hundred civi
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mandela is about to wrap up. afterwards, addresses by several world leaders and you will be able to hear this on our website. president obama is in south africa. joe biden is hosting an event at the white house today. expectedpresident is to announce more funding for mental health services. is the first anniversary of the newtown connecticut -- newtown, connecticut school shooting. allow moneyuse will to become available. those are some of the latest headlines on c-span radio. >> c-span. we bring public affairs event from washington and directly to you. would put you in the room at congressional hearings and white house events. c-span, created by the cable tv industry 34 years ago and funded by your local cattle -- cable satellite provider. you can now watch us in hd. >> washington journal continues. host: for a look at how the business community is reacting to the ongoing budget negotiations, we turn to john engler. let's start with the budget conference unexpected to release some sort of modest audit deal this
mandela is about to wrap up. afterwards, addresses by several world leaders and you will be able to hear this on our website. president obama is in south africa. joe biden is hosting an event at the white house today. expectedpresident is to announce more funding for mental health services. is the first anniversary of the newtown connecticut -- newtown, connecticut school shooting. allow moneyuse will to become available. those are some of the latest headlines on c-span radio. >> c-span....
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nelson mandela is at rest. let us now be guided and inspired by the spirit he gave all of us, the flame of human rights, the beaker of hope. nelson mandela fought throughout his life for each and every one of us. it is the duty of all of us who loved him to keep his memory alive in our hearts and to embody his -- in our eyes. may he rest in peace. thank you. thank you very much. >> we just heard from the u.n. secretary general, ban ki-moon. he hit several important themes for the south african people. and some of them were, of course, the rainbow nation, hoping someday the dream is realized as a rainbow world and pointing out that nelson mandela said he wasn't just one man. the crowd loved that, of course. we are waiting for the u.s. president barack obama. he is supposed to be speaking upcoming. right now, we have jim acosta with us. you came with the president, obviously. >> that's right. >> what did you see in terms of security in the process of getting here, what was it like. >> lots of security, chris. the
nelson mandela is at rest. let us now be guided and inspired by the spirit he gave all of us, the flame of human rights, the beaker of hope. nelson mandela fought throughout his life for each and every one of us. it is the duty of all of us who loved him to keep his memory alive in our hearts and to embody his -- in our eyes. may he rest in peace. thank you. thank you very much. >> we just heard from the u.n. secretary general, ban ki-moon. he hit several important themes for the south...
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eastern, the memorial service in south africa for nelson mandela. the house is back in session at noon eastern. legislative business at 2:00. today's agenda includes bills concerning veterans issues. in 45 minutes, a look at the congressional agenda for the rest of the year with democratic representative john garamendi of thefornia, a member of agriculture and armed services committee. for the business community's perspective on budget negotiations, we are joined by john engler of the business roundtable. you can call in with questions about hospital costs to elisabeth rosenthal of the new york times. ♪ good morning. it is tuesday, december 10, 20 13. despite most federal offices and ecb and closed due to the weather, congress is scheduled members session as scramble to wrap up legislation before adjourning for the year. the centerpiece of those efforts involve a budget deal that is expected to be released this week. in thathe key questions deal is whether congress will spend 26 billion dollars to expand the federal unemployment benefits. that is
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>> saying farewell to nelson mandela. world leaders and we'll wishers gather for a huge memorial service. >> from al jazeera's headquarters in doha. also - two french soldiers killed in the central african republic. >> riot police scuffle with protesters in ukraine as the president tries to find a solution. >> a water deal truck between three neighbours to breathe new life into the dead sea. >> good to have you with us. thousands of people started to arrive in johannesburg for a memorial service for nelson mandela. more than 70 world leaders are scheduled to attend the event. these are live pictures from inside the stadium where the service will take place. earlier on we see some world leaders arriving, including some african leaders. the stadium has 95,000 states, there are 80,000 expected. the weather has been poor. it's windy, and they are dancing and joyfully singing to remember nelson mandela. now, the service itself is expected to include tributes by south african president jacob zuma. and u.n. secretary-general ban
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the new president of iran may run into obama at the funeral of nelson mandela. >> first of all, it recognized the regime. by reaching an agreement you bless and recognized them. we should be for regime change in iran. if you take out mubarak, gadhafi and assad, how can you justify not wanting to take out the mullahs who are worse than all three combined and have killed more americans. that's all the table. second, in the interim agreement is the recognition that they will have nuclear power for peaceful purposes. six u.n. resolutions prohibited that. six u.n. resolutions understood that we are never going to be able to tell whether they can just easily move over to becoming a nuclear power if they can enrich uranium to use it for peaceful purposes. finally, i spent the weekend with many knowledgeable iranians who know what's going on there. they don't need the peaceful use of nuclear power. this is an oil-rich natural gas-rich country. the last thing they need is nuclear power. this is a phony. for the president not to get it is frightening. >> do you know what's worse? we don't have access t
the new president of iran may run into obama at the funeral of nelson mandela. >> first of all, it recognized the regime. by reaching an agreement you bless and recognized them. we should be for regime change in iran. if you take out mubarak, gadhafi and assad, how can you justify not wanting to take out the mullahs who are worse than all three combined and have killed more americans. that's all the table. second, in the interim agreement is the recognition that they will have nuclear...
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leader a terrorist others like freedom watches larry klayman are more than willing to talk about nelson mandela because they see it because as they see it his death gives them another chance to bash president obama in his new column for world net daily klayman said that conservatives should take mandela's achievement in liberating so that africa for bondage is a further example of what we can accomplish and free in our own nation in the choking despotic governmental slavery of obama you know because trying to expand health care access is totally the same thing as preventing eighty percent of the country's population voting which is what south africans white rulers did during apartheid the links some conservatives will go to bash the president. and a very very ugly. according to a new report the bureau of alcohol tobacco and firearms has been using mentally disabled people as bait in a number of different operations across the country if you want to operate in wichita a.t.f. agents referred to a man with a low i.q. as slow headed before deciding to search the site in the secretly use them as a k
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i was at the mandela inauguration where vice president gore was there and fidel castro. fidel castro several times tried to approach vice president gore and he literally ducked him, went behind aides. it was a comkocomical scene. >> i have the official program that the south african government put out and among the tributes after ban ki-moon, the u.n. secretary general speaks, the tribute by foreign dignitaries, then the president of the united states, barack obama, followed by the leaders of brazil, china and india and then cuba. raul castro. they will all be on this little stage, this little area in front of 90,000 people who have gathered in the soccer stadium so there could be a moment where president obama and raul castro may shake hands, may talk, who knows. >> be interesting to watch if they shake hands. that was the big thing, the gore people wanted no physical contact or substantive communications because of the relationship between the two countries. obviously, you can get as close as we are at an event like that and we will see what happens. you watch somethin
i was at the mandela inauguration where vice president gore was there and fidel castro. fidel castro several times tried to approach vice president gore and he literally ducked him, went behind aides. it was a comkocomical scene. >> i have the official program that the south african government put out and among the tributes after ban ki-moon, the u.n. secretary general speaks, the tribute by foreign dignitaries, then the president of the united states, barack obama, followed by the...
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himself, in the presence of nelson mandela and his wife. that statue of nelson mandela stands there now and forever. yes, his hands are outstretched, as the prime minister said, but his finger pointing upwards -- as it always did -- to the heights. the man most responsible for the destruction of what people thought was indestructible -- the apartheid system -- and the man who taught us that no injustice can last forever. nelson mandela, the greatest man of his generation, yes, but across the generations one of the most courageous people you could ever hope to meet. winston churchill said that courage was the greatest human virtue of all, because courage everything else depended. nelson mandela had eloquence, determination, commitment, passion, wit and charm, but it was his courage that brought all those things to life. we sometimes think of courage as daring, bravado, risk-taking and recklessness, and nelson mandela had all those in admirable quantities, but he was the first to say that true courage depends not just on strength of willpower
himself, in the presence of nelson mandela and his wife. that statue of nelson mandela stands there now and forever. yes, his hands are outstretched, as the prime minister said, but his finger pointing upwards -- as it always did -- to the heights. the man most responsible for the destruction of what people thought was indestructible -- the apartheid system -- and the man who taught us that no injustice can last forever. nelson mandela, the greatest man of his generation, yes, but across the...
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nelson mandela was the embodiment of that struggle. he did not see himself as a helpless the dem of history. he wrote it. t the evilver forge of apartheid. separate buses, separate andols, even separate pews church. interracial relationships criminalized. a whole language of segregation to express man's in eumenides demand. nelson mandela's struggle was made even more vital by acts of extreme brutality on the part of the south african authorities. his was a journey that spanned six decades from activism to nearly three decades of incarceration through to negotiations that led to the end of apartheid and his election to the highest office in south africa. it was, as he said, a long walk to freedom. as a prisoner in a cell measuring six feet by eight feet, there must have been times he felt that his fists were beating against the wall that would not be moved, but he never wavered. as he famously said, he wanted to live for and achieve the ideal of a democratic and free society. but it was also an ideal for which he was prepared to die, a
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nelson mandela was south africa's first black president who steered his nation the apartheid into multi race democracy. he died late on tuesday at the age of ninety five after months of illness. i. the long. i the community. and more the one. ross. the root of the i get . the did gcses zz you. sheen is missed when in jail for the media's for demonstrating for the reinstatement of the coast is known as president to come up more seats will be released after four quarts this instance is the case that an outraged opposition groups and human rights campaigners. the case that led to accusations that the army backed authorities were becoming as draconian as the muslim brotherhood to my route has accused the brotherhood of modern terrorism since else that more sequels and in july since then hundreds of moore's his supporters had been killed and thousands arrested. most end of the brotherhood leaders on trial for its components the only route map for peaceful transition to eat the chips to presidential and parliamentary elections next year . that is the history syrian border on friday evening wi
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mandela. not to say look how you treated me. i'm free now and i can ya ya ya at you, not that at all. in fact, he was gracious, welcome. he said, this is south africa. this is for all of us. blac blacks, all of us, this is our country. >> it's so interesting to hear your reflection, because i haven't talked to anyone who knew him, dr. angelou, who knew him before he went into prison. people talk about the crucible the 27-year imprisonment was. you're reflecting he had this special grace in his heart and his soul even before he went into prison. i want to share with you what charlene hunter gault said to us right after his death was announced and we were on the air together. she said when she first met him when he walked out to freedom, and she was trying to create a connection and said, you know, i was part of the civil rights movement in the south. he said oh, do you know maya angelou? she meant so much to me, reading her in prison. you were in his heart and mind all those years. >> he told charlene gault that people had been s
mandela. not to say look how you treated me. i'm free now and i can ya ya ya at you, not that at all. in fact, he was gracious, welcome. he said, this is south africa. this is for all of us. blac blacks, all of us, this is our country. >> it's so interesting to hear your reflection, because i haven't talked to anyone who knew him, dr. angelou, who knew him before he went into prison. people talk about the crucible the 27-year imprisonment was. you're reflecting he had this special grace...
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mandela was a stranger to hate. he rejected recrimination in favor of reconciliation. and he knew the future demands that we move beyond the past. just think of the lessons that he taught the world, which have special significance at this moment in history. he said it always seems impossible until it is done. all of us who seek peace, the skeptics who think it cannot be achieved should bear in mind those words. as the sun sets on this sabbath, let me leave you with a favorite line from the psalms that i understand is recited in the evening prayer service. it is a prayer for overcoming danger, a prayer that we might know, all of us, true security. shelter us in the shadow of your wings, the psalmist wrote, for you are a protector. spread over us the shelter of your piece -- your peace. through the grace of god and hard work here on earth, may all of us come to know the shelter of peace. thank you very much. [applause] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2013] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] >> earlier today, president obama boarded
mandela was a stranger to hate. he rejected recrimination in favor of reconciliation. and he knew the future demands that we move beyond the past. just think of the lessons that he taught the world, which have special significance at this moment in history. he said it always seems impossible until it is done. all of us who seek peace, the skeptics who think it cannot be achieved should bear in mind those words. as the sun sets on this sabbath, let me leave you with a favorite line from the...
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president obama is headed to south africa to attend a moral service for nelson mandela. he is joined on air force one by first lady michelle as well as george w. bush and hillary clinton. jimmy carter plans to join the group. nelson mandela will be very december 15 following a state funeral in his hometown. >> the wireline world is the central circulatory system of our economy. it is the veins and the arteries that can act what is now the information economy in the u.s.. we are seeing data traffic increase at the rate of 40% per year. it is wireline networks that connect all forms of communications, what are they exhibit -- whether they originate in a wireline or wireless environment. future of the communications industry, with u.s. telecom head walter mccormick. tonight on "the communicators," at 8:00 eastern on c-span2. >> i got upset with the president. the, at my mental health first few meetings. then they never showed up. housewalking in the white and i met this woman, one of the press people. , nobody ever covers my meetings. she said, mrs. carter, mental health is
president obama is headed to south africa to attend a moral service for nelson mandela. he is joined on air force one by first lady michelle as well as george w. bush and hillary clinton. jimmy carter plans to join the group. nelson mandela will be very december 15 following a state funeral in his hometown. >> the wireline world is the central circulatory system of our economy. it is the veins and the arteries that can act what is now the information economy in the u.s.. we are seeing...
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nelson mandela will be buried december 15 following a state funeral. back in house is session today. .hey will begin the day at noon legislative work will get here at 2:00. boats -- vote is scheduled today. today washington journal spoke with a capital reporter about what they are planning to work on this week. >> ian swanson, thank you for joining us. a number of reports have put out, we are expecting a deal as early as this week. what will that look like? >> it will not be the grand bargain that has dominated discussions. negotiators are looking at any tax hikes. they're also not looking at significant cuts to medicare, medicaid or social security. instead of looking at small is more to their retirement plans. they're trying to keep that a bit lower. they're also looking at funds by selling a spectrum. looking at a small budget deal. this is part of a different budget process. >> why can there be something like a grand bargain right now? democrats are not willing to do any kind of medicare and medicaid. republicans are not willing to do any tax hikes
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now tributes from the sporting world have been pouring in for now so mandela the first black president of south africa who died last thursday at the age of ninety five the former premier one said that sport has the power to change the world and unite people in a way little else does and mr mandela met many sports stars including the south africa rugby and football teams plus david beckham on the england side he was also a big supporter of south africa hosting the twenty ten football world cup as well as a big fan of n.b.a. force people. to spend so much. not only for south africa not only for half ago but the whole world. you know i remember as a kid. my parents he's the one person. you know when you hear his name everything stops. meanwhile all going to chicago bulls trying to one hundred seven point two eighty seven at home to two time reigning champions the miami heat both teams were missing superstars miami's dwyane wade was ill while chicago's derrick rose is out for the season after least surgery and in his absence carlos boozer led the bulls with twenty seven points and nine reb
now tributes from the sporting world have been pouring in for now so mandela the first black president of south africa who died last thursday at the age of ninety five the former premier one said that sport has the power to change the world and unite people in a way little else does and mr mandela met many sports stars including the south africa rugby and football teams plus david beckham on the england side he was also a big supporter of south africa hosting the twenty ten football world cup...
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. >>> people around south africa took part in a national day of prayer to remember nelson mandela. memorial service set to take place on tuesday. >>> the mid atlantic and the northeast are getting hit by a bout of winter weather. drivers are facing treacherous conditions as a result of snow ice and rain. those are the headlines. talk to al jazeera is up next. sanctions. tehran says its ultimate goal is a permanent solution that could program. >> nuclear weapons have no place whatsoever in our defense doctorine. >> what was concluded in geneva last night is not a historic agreement. it's a historic mistake. >> many aftcountries, particularly saudi arabia is worried they are trying to buy time. the top diplomat is on a charm offensive in the gulf region. can he build bridges with iran's arab nabors? will he attend the syria talks in generva to add more than two years of killing and destruction? what is behind iran's overtures to the west? you will find out as iran's prime minister talks to al jazeera. thank you very much indeed for talking to al jazeera. iran's nuclear program is an
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image of nelson mandela and image recognized around the world only coca-cola is based on known better men who struggle for racial equality again south africa's ruling white minority had a dark side the world has conveniently forgotten about nelson mandela been leader of the struggle. a radical. someone. embraced violence and as a necessary political instrument at a particular juncture in our history this house was the secret hip quarters of the african national congress it was here in the early sixty's that mandela and his comrades launched be armed struggle it was also here that most of them were wasted put on trial and sentencing to life in prison south african journalist chris bishop believes the one nine hundred sixty four trial that saw mandela and his comrades sentenced to life helped turn the world in their favor during the trial. these gentlemen who are on trial the rivonia trial as they went from being the accused of being people in the dark as slowly transformed they became the benjamin franklin's of africa they became the freedom fighters they began the man of principle who
image of nelson mandela and image recognized around the world only coca-cola is based on known better men who struggle for racial equality again south africa's ruling white minority had a dark side the world has conveniently forgotten about nelson mandela been leader of the struggle. a radical. someone. embraced violence and as a necessary political instrument at a particular juncture in our history this house was the secret hip quarters of the african national congress it was here in the early...
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one thousand nine hundred sixty four trial that's all mandela and his comrades sentenced to life helped turn the world in their favor during the trial. these gentleman who are on trial the rivonia trial as they went from being the accused of being people on in the dark as slowly transformed they became the benjamin franklin's of africa they became the freedom fighters they began the man of principle who is standing up merely for the rights of others and it's only to turn world opinion around from a vile terrorist to one of the greatest freedom fighters to have ever walked the earth the story of nelson mandela is remarkable a man who stood up for the rights of people everywhere but also a familiar tale of government putting a garland of flowers around your neck one day and a rope the next. r t johannesburg south africa. up next the financial week in artie's country capital. just imagine a foreign leaders like alexander lukashenko or vladimir putin just showed up an anti e.u. protest and a greece are hungry to urge people to leave the e.u. and join up with the eurasian customs union obvio
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. >>> it is a national day of prayer in south africa for nelson mandela. services of all faith did honored the former president. meanwhile, mourners lay flowers and lit candles in johan he isburg. >>> i am jonathan betts. you "talk to al jazeera" is next. for updates anytime of the day, go to aljazeera.com. >>> this is the imagine at the 70 of iran's historic agreement on its nuclear program. iran agreeing to restrict it's nuclear activities in exchange for a partial lifting of sanctions. tehran says its ultimate goal is a permanent solution that could allow it to pursue a peaceful program. >> nuclear weapons have no place whatsoever in our defense doctorine. >> what was concluded in geneva last night is not a historic agreement. it's a historic mistake. >> many aftcountries, particula saudi arabia is worried they are trying to buy time. the top diplomat is on a charm offensive in the gulf region. can he build bridges with iran's arab nabors? will he attend the syria talks in generva to add more than two years of killing and destruction? what is behind ira
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david cameron and members of the house of commons the offered tribute to south african president nelson mandela who died on thursday at the age of 95. spanhave live coverage on c- 2 at 9:30 a.m. eastern. the wireline world is about systemtral circulatory of our economy. it is the veins and the arteries that really connect what is now the information economy in the united states. we are seeing data traffic on our wireline networks at a rate of 40% increase per year. it is that network that connects all forms of communications whether they originate in the wire environment or wireless environment. so yeah, america's future is --eless here and -- wireless communicators"he at 8 p.m. eastern on c-span 2. >> i got upset with the --sident because they never showed up anymore. woman who was one of the press people. she said, mental health is not a sexy issue here you -- is not a sexy issue. -- itsed a mental health passed through congress. [indiscernible] never implemented it. one of the disappointments of my -- life. and span,ming up tonight on c- .q&a" with david finkel after that, prime minister's q
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>> reporter: it's been three days since the passing of nelson mandela. he died in the house just behind me right here. but still the passions and emotions continue to build. it's just approaching 11:00 and there are hundreds and hundreds of people outside of the house. as you can see, mountains of flowers being laid and candles being lit. earlier today in churches as well as synagogues and mosques, prayers were said and the man was remembered, the man who many people here consider to be the father of modern south africa. south african president zuma was at one church with the ex-wife of nelson mandela, winnie, and he called for the country to get together. in fact, the family issued a statement tonight and said, keep the dream alive. here's a little bit more of what we saw here in this neighborhood, the former neighborhood of nelson mandela earlier today. take a listen. >> it is supposed to be a day of prayer and reflection for the late nelson mandela but, as you can see and hear in this johannesburg neighborhood, it is a day of song and praise for the f
>> reporter: it's been three days since the passing of nelson mandela. he died in the house just behind me right here. but still the passions and emotions continue to build. it's just approaching 11:00 and there are hundreds and hundreds of people outside of the house. as you can see, mountains of flowers being laid and candles being lit. earlier today in churches as well as synagogues and mosques, prayers were said and the man was remembered, the man who many people here consider to be...
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the day of prayer for south africans for their former leader an international symbol of peace nelson mandela we look at how he overcame britain the region.
the day of prayer for south africans for their former leader an international symbol of peace nelson mandela we look at how he overcame britain the region.
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why is there no mandela today? >> i think it is important that we actually use his passing as a way to try to teach that lesson because i think it is so easy to develop that animosity and to keep revenge and polarization. i do hope that we can use this as a teaching moment because he actually used it as a teaching moment. we need to look at local interests wherever it is and a real sense of the globalization which has had an opposite effect of making people identify more with their own group because they feel so lost. they are proud in their own identity but when it curdles into hatred of the next people, then that develops this poisonous atmosphere that mandela did not put up with. >> let?s turn now to n the uncle was kind of put in there as regent in order to watch over him. there was also a military contingent that was part of that. i think that we don't know what the affect of it is and they have a tendency to do something to distract. on the other hand, it could be seen because some of these people were known
why is there no mandela today? >> i think it is important that we actually use his passing as a way to try to teach that lesson because i think it is so easy to develop that animosity and to keep revenge and polarization. i do hope that we can use this as a teaching moment because he actually used it as a teaching moment. we need to look at local interests wherever it is and a real sense of the globalization which has had an opposite effect of making people identify more with their own...
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a day of prayer for south africans for their leader an international symbol of peace nelson mandela look at how he overcame bitter derision from countries with no queuing to morn.
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it will be attending a memorial service for the late president nelson mandela and the service will be held at ace 80 mf holds about 94,000 people. held at a stadium that holds about 94,000 people. tens of thousands of local mourners in dozens of foreign leaders are expected. also expecting british prime cameron, french president francois hollande, and canadian prime minister stephen harper. the event tuesdays is one of two major events planned. his funeral is planned for next sunday in his hometown. but we're going to turn to long- term unemployment benefits set to expire at the end of the month unless congress extends them. the house democratic steering committee held a hearing to review the issue. witnesses included people receiving unemployment benefits. this is an hour and a half. >> good morning, everyone. thank you for joining us for this hearing. good morning everyone. thank you very much for joining us for this hearing of this most serious matter striking into the heart of the security of america's working families. in the interest of getting to our witnesses as soon as possib
it will be attending a memorial service for the late president nelson mandela and the service will be held at ace 80 mf holds about 94,000 people. held at a stadium that holds about 94,000 people. tens of thousands of local mourners in dozens of foreign leaders are expected. also expecting british prime cameron, french president francois hollande, and canadian prime minister stephen harper. the event tuesdays is one of two major events planned. his funeral is planned for next sunday in his...
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>> reporter: you know, they are, of course, mourning nelson mandela, but just remember mandela was like a mirror. he reflected back to south africa what they wanted to be, what this nation imagined itself to be. perhaps an idealistic vision. today 20 years later, this is a very complicated, often divided at times nation. now, what they also i think are mourning is that very vision of leadership we saw in mandela. you spoke about it a little earlier. he really played the long he? he looked ahead. he planned. he was a tactician, a pragmatist. he was a man who really thought about being a symbol of reconciliation. compare that with president zuma whose leadership and whose government seems to lurch from crisis to crisis. there seems to be an overwhelming focus on scandals over personal enrichment, whether it's president zuma or those close to him. they seem to have according to many south africans, there is a real focus of this current government on the trappings of power, of using the state to protect the elite so at least to further the interest of the elites and president zuma. that is
>> reporter: you know, they are, of course, mourning nelson mandela, but just remember mandela was like a mirror. he reflected back to south africa what they wanted to be, what this nation imagined itself to be. perhaps an idealistic vision. today 20 years later, this is a very complicated, often divided at times nation. now, what they also i think are mourning is that very vision of leadership we saw in mandela. you spoke about it a little earlier. he really played the long he? he looked...
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day of prayer for south africans for their former leader an international symbol of peace nelson mandela we look at how he overcame pitted to rishon from country to the now queuing up to mourn. the scowling scandinavians it emerges that sweden buddied up with america's n.s.a. to listen across russia's leadership and also major firms that's in the program. why from the outside you center at ten pm here in moscow it's kevin and we do this our weekly the round up of the top stories of the last seven days and first one ongoing right now in fact at least one hundred thousand people have gathered in the ukrainian capital for major antigovernment protest the opposition's warning that this rally is the last chance as they put it for the government and for the president where the latest his pull scott. there's a still ambiguity over the exact figures but some of the certainty is that thousands to still remain in the square behind me despite the bitterly cold conditions on this also no one said to take over the key demands of the opposition as well heavyweight boxing champion batali klitschko taki
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he's not sure if the 95-year-old is aware that nelson mandela has died. the family says they would welcome prayers at this time? >>> coming up next, president obama wants to verify before he can trust iran. can israel trust that deal? we're going to talk with israel's intelligence minister about what is at stake and he's joining us live here next. >>> and is president obama overstepping his executive branch. that's when america's news headquarters comes right back. [ paper...
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>> reporter: they're of course mourning nelson mandela, but mandela was like a mirror, he reflected back to south africa, what they want to be, what this nation imagined itself to be. perhaps an idealistic vision, an complicated often -- very visionary leadership we saw in mandel l.a. you spoke about it a little bit earlier. he really played the long game, didn't he? he looked ahead, he planned, he was a man who really thought about being a symbol of rec reconciliati reconciliation. now compare that to president zuma whose leadership and whose government seems to lurch from crisis to crisis, there seems to be an overwhelming focus on scandals or the personal enrichment whether it's linked to president zuma or those close to him. according to many south africans there's a real current in this current government of the trappings of power, of using the state to further the interests of the elites and president zuma. that is the kind of contra diblg atidiblg -- mandela's party lost its way, so i think there's a lot of inner thinking, a lot of digestion of what south africa is now, what mande
>> reporter: they're of course mourning nelson mandela, but mandela was like a mirror, he reflected back to south africa, what they want to be, what this nation imagined itself to be. perhaps an idealistic vision, an complicated often -- very visionary leadership we saw in mandel l.a. you spoke about it a little bit earlier. he really played the long game, didn't he? he looked ahead, he planned, he was a man who really thought about being a symbol of rec reconciliati reconciliation. now...